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    Ace Attorney Tenth Case Maker Contest Results

    Tenth Case Maker Contest Results

    Posted: 14 Jan 2022 01:59 PM PST

    Apologies for the lateness, but here are the results:

    Finishing tied for second place were Walking in a Winter Turnabout by u/Beneficial_Bad9208 and The Star-Written Turnabout by u/Shoe-Over!

    And winning this contest, with all five votes in the final round, was Turnabout Peak by u/AdmirablySizedPotato!

    Well done everyone. See you in a couple months.

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    Finally got the original GBA Trilogy! ❤️

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 03:36 AM PST

    Round 14 of the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles character elimination contest. William Shamspeare has been declared guilty, vote for the next 2 characters to be voted out this round in the comments (because it was too soon to eliminate 1)

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 09:13 AM PST

    Niche Ship with Weirdly High Quality Fan Art: Enoch Drebber and Esmeralda Tusspells

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 08:27 AM PST

    HAHA any ideas what Godot is proud of??

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 06:57 AM PST

    What the hell did von Karma do?

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 04:35 AM PST

    The game says that von Karma retrained Polly to not mention DL-6. What exactly did he do to Polly? And was it ethical?

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    Does anyone have an idea what was the meaning behind Kristoph's black locks?

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 07:00 AM PST

    Hey everyone! So I got reminded of the Apollo Justice game today, and it also made me remember how many questions were left vaguely answered, or even completely unanswered. Still wondering if it was the devs' intention, though.

    But the thing that really frustrated me and intrigued me the most about that game... was Kristoph's character. I think he was a great villain, with a very f*cked up mind and even more messed up ways, but he was also clever in his proceedings. But the one thing that irritates me the most, is the fact that we never got to understand what were the "subconscious" secrets behind his black psyche-locks. When Phoenix confrontef him and asked him what was his motive for murdering Shadi Smith/ Zak Enigma, those creepy black locks appeared and he simply answered "Because I'm an evil being"... which of course didn't sound like the actual reason. I've seen a lot of theories, and most of them seemed really brilliant and well thought out. Like this one that I'd like to share (in the most synthetic way possible I hope):

    He truly believed that he was untouchable. And he had so much pride that he actually managed to convince himself that he didn't commit any crimes. And that even if he did commit anything, it was a right thing to do, since he always right. He spent 7 years trying to erase his actions, not only from the public, but also from his own memory. By the end, he turned his lies into his own truth. Which would explain why he had black psyche-locks, bc those were secrets that were deeply impregnated into his mind he himself wasn't aware of it (paired with the explanation of black locks we had in DD). When Kristoph was shown consistent and sharp proof that he did perpetrate those crimes, he had this breakdown at the end of the game. But what maybe truly made him have a breakdown was probably the fact that he was defeated by Phoenix, a lawyer whom he considered inferior to him, thus making all his beliefs about himself crumble down.

    A second one, that seems worth it too:

    Kristoph viewed himself as an embodiment of the law: flawless and absolute. But the thing is, it was far from being the case in AJ. But Kristoph believed that the law was perfect as it was, and that it didn't need to be changed. Thus, because the law and evidence couldn't find him guilty, his belief in the law made him accepts its technical conclusion: namely that he wasn't the killer of Drew Misham. Even though he very clearly was. Behind his absolute belief in the law system, he saw loopholes that he could take advantage of. BUT he didn't see them as "loopholes" since it was part of the judiciary system. He saw them as things to take profit from, and they would always be justified by this system. When Enigma rejected him to assure his defense, it deeply hurt his pride/ego, bc he saw himself as an unmatchable lawyer. Wright represents a change in the legal system that Kristoph loathes, and would never accept. Kristoph saw Wright' s unconventional methods as a lawyer to be insulting to the absolute nature of the law that he prefers. Thus causing his breakdown. The psyche locks were there because deep down he knew that Wright was a far better lawyer, even though his ways of defending didn't match Kristoph's ideal. But it would hurt his pride to even admit it.

    How do you interpret Kristoph's character? What are the theories you've heard about? What did you think of his breakdown, and what caused it? Let me know!

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    Where in the World is Herlock Sholmes? - Gavinners Edition

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 07:52 PM PST

    On this day 15 years ago, PW: Justice for All debuted in the west, introducing the ruthless Franziska von Karma and a new mechanic key to unlock the truth within people's hearts

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 11:38 AM PST

    Phoenix Wright musical - objection lol (Part 6)

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 01:23 PM PST

    A New Chapter of Trials cover Feat. Fukase

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 07:59 AM PST

    Starting my TGAA journey today! Wish me luck!

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 03:13 PM PST

    You‘ve been accused of a crime you didn‘t commit. Who would you like to defend you?

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 12:08 AM PST

    Hot take: GAA1-4 isn't the worst case of Chronicles

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 08:45 PM PST

    I come out of lurking after months of inactivity just to post a hot take. But lately I've been unable to think of anything but The Great Ace Attorney any time I am even tangentially reminded of this fandom, and this is an opinion I will die on this hill for: GAA1-1 is overall weaker than 1-4.

    First things first, the Chronicles are the best Ace Attorney games in the entire franchise BY FAR. Holy moly, I love these games with my whole being. Everything is woven together in the perfect way, even if the first game's initial release started off on a rough patch, but it was all planned to make GAA2 an absolute masterpiece. This is most definitely Shu Takumi's magnum opus and what he will be remembered by the most going forward in this franchise's history.

    That said, nothing in this world is objectively perfect. Even I have a few gripes with one or two cases out of this ten, but they're all minor nitpicks. Like, if I were to rank them against each other, there would not be very much of a gap between each entry. That's how good all these cases are. Now, my dear fellows, let us begin.

    -

    If we were to examine the story progression across the two games, there are some pretty clear dips in the rising action throughout the first GAA, with some notable spikes upward. However, the greatest climax doesn't come until the second game, which goes to show just how long the last few episodes of GAA2 were built up. But set that aside, we're comparing 1-1 and 1-4.

    Why would 1-1 be weaker than 1-4? It has a beautifully elegant introduction to the legal system of Japan, a firm establishment of several of the most important characters across these two games, and an amazing villain to kick off the two games' biggest mysteries. Meanwhile, 1-4 is largely forgettable, with incredibly low stakes even out of any Ace Attorney game, an assault victim who you don't even get to meet yet, and the actual truth of the case is just a marital dispute with an incredibly disappointing "villain".

    But oh, I raise you a counter: 1-4 was saved by two titans of comedy and wit: Herlock Sholmes and Soseki Natsume. Also, this case just has such an important role in the overall story compared to 1-1 that it really isn't something that can be replaced by another filler case, like some can be in previous AA titles.

    I brought up the point about rising action above precisely because 1-4 is a victim of context, placed between two relative peaks in the plot, so it naturally feels like a deep valley in comparison, despite the state and role of this case establishing some of the most important themes across the two games. 1-1, meanwhile, just by the nature of begin the beginning exposition in the story, naturally has to start from a much humbler starting point before any rising action can take place whatsoever, and it does it well enough for the most part, but not without any stumbles. And to be clear, that is okay, as it is the first episode of this overarching story and naturally has some leeway to be judged, but those stumbles really do weaken it relative to all the other episodes.

    First of all, the "point" of 1-4 isn't just to introduce Soseki Natsume (and Wagahai) and Olive Green earlier than they "needed" to be. If that was all, then all that could have been accomplished by GAA2-2 instead. No, if anything, it's a purposeful respite in the story after the dread and anxiety left behind from 1-3, while also acting as a prelude to worse things to come, and follows dutifully the trend of themes that cover both games.

    Sholmes is by no means serious in any part of this case and he had no reason to worry for Soseki since he knew Naruhodo and Susato would go help him. Besides, all he did was do as Scotland Yard asked of him and find the man they were looking for. He didn't arrest Soseki himself; that was all on Scotland Yard. In fact, he was so far ahead of everyone else that he was already at the window of the Garrideb's home by the time we meet him there, for crying out loud! And then the ensuing Dance of Deduction is one of the dumbest and funniest dances he has, aside from 2-4's anti-gravity shenanigans. Like, Naruhodo was so dumbfounded by everything he saw in that room that Sholmes had to throw in something even more ridiculous like "There was a lion from the circus that ran rampant in this room!" just to snap him back to reality. Also, just the image he described of Garrideb fighting a lion with a giant cannon in his tiny apartment is legendary. Seriously, why do we not have fanart of that yet?

    But the comedy bits aside, what else does this case have that's so important and irreplaceable? The obvious answer is Soseki Natsume (and Wagahai). In fact, even though Soseki is the lovable comedy relief character throughout all his roles in the cases he appears in, he wouldn't be nearly as loved or remembered if he weren't established as early as 1-4. If we had a different case instead without him, the purpose of his presence in 2-2 wouldn't be felt too strongly. And if we had a different case involving him but not Olive Green, then 2-2 would literally have come out of nowhere, and that's not helping anything either. And despite what I've heard some people argue, 2-2 can't replace 1-4's place. What would even follow 2-2? It's the latter half of a bigger story and there's no "sequel" to be made from it. Or, to those who still doubt me, would you rather have another "forgettable" filler case to be 2-2? It'd just break the whole sequence.

    More than that, though, 1-4 has some deep foreshadowing in its themes that would rival even 1-2's foreshadowing. The idea of an incredibly impromptu act of violence is definitely not new in any regard, but this case also follows the two most prevalent themes of the games: underestimating the people you're closest to and bewaring false personas. While John didn't keep any grudges toward his wife, since he actually is a faithful husband despite how he eyed that one maid juror, he didn't expect his constant want of a maid, just for the sake of his own pride, would lead to his wife's angry outbursts. Sure, Joan is definitely in the wrong here; she threw way too many things at her husband over just the smallest suspicions she alone had. But John isn't entirely innocent either. If only he wasn't such a stickler to superficial appearances, the events of 2-2 also would have been unlikely to happen.

    Remember that the whole cause behind 2-2 was because Garrideb's previous tenant died thanks to Shamspeare's work, and Olive sought revenge. Obviously, Garrideb wasn't directly responsible for Duncan's death, so he can't be indicted for that. But he's clearly not the well-off man he portrays himself to be and has to constantly cut costs elsewhere for the sake of keeping up his relative comfort. Rather than spend the money he earns from his past tenants on actually providing a suitable living space for them and thus would better encourage people to rent from him in the first place, he chose to leave those rooms in the worst possible state, just barely eligible to be rented out, and kept the prices low to sucker in any poor sap who happened to come by.

    Yes, I know ultimately it was Shamspeare who was after Selden's treasure, which started the whole back-n-forth tragedies and all, but I don't think Garrideb would have even let Selden live there in the first place if he actually cared to screen his tenants. So, no, I will not let John off the hook even if he's the primary victim of this marital dispute. That Joan's knife happened to hit Olive was most likely an act of mercy from God... though I'm not religious, so that would be Mr. Takumi himself, lol.

    In a way, the 1-4 and 2-2 connection is almost like a miniature preview of interconnected stories that would prepare players for the ultimate climax that really hit the road starting with 2-3.

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    Okay, that's all well and good. 1-4 is definitely more important than it seems. But that doesn't mean it's better than 1-1, right?

    Wrong. If we take a similarly objective lens at the prevalent themes of 1-1 and the role in the story that the episode plays, we start to come short. First of all, I'm not saying that 1-1 is "bad" or even disappointing. It just comes short in comparison to the greats that are the rest of the cases that come after it. If it were a case in any other Ace Attorney game, it would be worthy as a final case because it has such a strong ending. But of course, it wouldn't work as an actual final case because it's not meant to conclude any storylines.

    The role of episode 1-1 is exactly what you'd expect: exposition. Lots of it. We're introduced to the main character and his "bosom buddy", as well as get a sneak peak at what role Susato would come to play later on. We also get introduced to Jigoku, who we all initially believed would be a generic character that would be revisited like other unnamed judges. And we're introduced to Jezaille Brett, who we'd learn is way bigger a baddie than we'd ever imagined. And of course, we can't forget Prosecutor Auchi, who is definitely the best out of all the Auchis we've met thus far.

    That is all excellent, and it makes sense that the exposition wouldn't need to be fast-paced since we're just starting the game. But what makes this case so brilliant is because, despite being the slow exposition that is at the start of every Ace Attorney game, the case speeds up FAST and the stakes shoot up after a certain point. It purposely breaks the mold of the role that it's supposed to play and suddenly it feels like we're dealing with the "real" game.

    Unfortunately, it is in its success where it also has its pitfalls. Like, who really remembers what happens before we finally bring Brett to the stand? Well, uh, there were the sargeant, Iyesa Nosa, and the antique seller, Kyurio Korekuta. I remember these guys well, not because of something particularly funny about them, but because I study the different versions of these games. Quite a bit of their original appeal was actually lost in translation. The jokes behind these characters could only be given in Japanese, since they spoke in dialects and had mannerisms that were parodies of old literary prose and poetry that many people in the modern day wouldn't easily understand without having studied it. And while the localization team did a brilliant job capturing all the characters and their quirks during the transition, it's too bad there was no easy way about it in this instance. After all, we already have a Shakespeare-spoken character in Shamspeare, and I don't think translating antique man's dialogue into Middle or Old English would have made it comprehensive enough to any native English speakers.

    But localization troubles aside, there's also the issue with pacing. Normally, in most Ace Attorney episodes, the trial segments are stuffed to the brim with important details to establish the context of the cases being deliberated. However, so much of the beginning of 1-1 was basically a wild goose chase (or koban chase, in this case). Granted, it makes a lot of sense in context. These witnesses were explicitly under orders thanks to Hosonaga to protect Brett's identity and presence. However, it just leaves the players stuck treading water for a while longer than they would hope. It's a suitable analogy to the frustration Kazuma feels about Japan's government at the time, though. I love that we the players actually get to sympathize with him firsthand, but it was already well established since the start of the trial and I'm not sure if this bit of frustration for the player was intentional.

    Again, keep in mind that I'm talking relatively here. I played through the first GAA back on the 3DS in 2015 and at the time, I didn't even notice there were any issues with pacing. I really loved the case, and it was easily one of the best I'd played out of the whole series at the time. It wasn't until on a repeat run before Chronicles came out and a third time after Chronicles came out that I actually began to notice the slow pacing in comparison to the flow in other following episodes. It's a subtle difference, and there aren't many places during 1-1 where the story could have been cut to be smoother, but they do exist. For instance, was there really any need to hide Nosa's son? He was right there on his back-facing model all that time. If anything, it would have added to Nosa's charm immediately upon his coming to the stand. Cute kid. Terrible dad.

    Also, maybe it's just me, but we took a bit of a circular path to conclude that the plates were swapped. Nosa didn't use his utensils, so they wouldn't be stained. And it wasn't like he took the utensils with him when he left the restaurant after questioning and the police were too forgetful to check. Not to mention, Hosonaga took it upon himself to keep the decisive piece of evidence pristine, but was shocked to learn that they were swapped and didn't question the contradiction that would arise regarding the utensils he clearly saw on the victim's table vs the adjacent table? I know he's kinda an idiot like that, but it's not because he's incompetent as a detective. He just has needle vision sometimes. (Which I appreciate after all the "incompetent detective" jokes made at Gumshoe's expense after a while.)

    And it's thanks to hindsight that I later came to realize how 1-1 ranked when 2-1 basically took everything that made 1-1 amazing on first run and knocked it up to eleven. It's not because Susato was the better lawyer (though let's be real, she definitely was, given how long it took Ryu to get himself together), but because it already starts off in a jog without having the excess baggage of having to introduce everything and everyone, while still leaving room for players to get to know the new characters and laugh at the old characters with new or even renewed jokes. Rei is precious and must protecc. I even like Menimimo, though it's more thanks to his character design, mannerisms, and puns that get my translator noggin pumping. He's definitely a step back in terms of villainy between the two intro episodes, but he wasn't meant to surpass Brett in any way. It's what makes him being the villain ironic and shocking, and imo, fitting as deserved punishment for someone who pretends to be so unassuming and ends up being that vulnerable after all.

    And it's a nice touch of realism that Susato, despite being the all-knowledgeable judicial assistant, has no lick of knowledge about medicine and biology. She didn't even know that pulling a blade out of a wound would end up doing worse for the victim, and in her defense, a lot of people had that misconception at the time... and even now, thinking about it.

    In conclusion, 1-1 feels much more like a classic Ace Attorney case that breaks away from the mold and tries something new, while the rest, including 1-4, feel like Great Ace Attorney cases. That's the simplest way I can put it.

    -

    If you've read all the way to this point, then congrats for listening to me rant for several hours. And if you're still not convinced, you've reviewed over all this and you understand but still disagree, then that's fine. This is entirely my opinion and you're free to have yours. Feel free to explain why you disagree in the comments below if you want.

    But you know, if I hadn't mentioned it yet, heh, 1-4 also introduced Wagahai and you can pet him. What does 1-1 have? A baby that got scapegoated by his own dad. Yeah, that's what I thought. Checkmate, haters.

    For the record, I still think 1-4 is on the lower end of the ten. Just not bottom tier like some people I know made it out to be. Still thinking over how my ranking goes exactly, though...

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    (Mild Spoilers?) Great Revival is not a good character theme

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 09:16 PM PST

    Before you take out your pitchforks and torches, let me clarify. The song (technically songs but they're interchangeable) itself is great, and the pivotal moments we remember are undoubtedly enhanced by its presence.

    My gripe is with its use as a catch all theme for Edgeworth, Franziska, and Manfred. I'm mostly fine with Edgeworth's usage as he's used sparingly in the later games, only appearing in final cases where stakes and tension are raised to the extreme. Hell, if my memory is correct, it doesn't even play for him in Trials and Tribulations at all.

    Manny has a different issue in regards to usage. It just doesn't suit him or his role in the story at all. Both Edgeworth and Franziska have triumphant scenes in which the song reflects the character's emotions in being pulled from the brink. He doesn't have any of that. He's as one dimensionally nasty as ever, and the song just plays when he talks. There's no real meaning in its playing for him.

    And that gets into my problems with Franziska. Every time her sprite so much as flashes on screen in the Investigations Duology it plays. At least Edgeworth got multiple remixes to keep things fresh, but Franziska not only has the singular theme, but it also gets split up between her and her father.

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    Ace Attorney Beta Concepts #70 - Tobias Gregson

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 10:13 PM PST

    King Edgeworth Royal AU �� Commission I made for @WolfGang534 on twt!

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 05:51 AM PST

    unpopular(?) opinion/take on a surprisingly disliked character & relationship

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 05:15 PM PST

    i never understood why people are so insistent (and themselves blinded by some unfounded dislike/rage?) that kazuma is a horrible person or is antagonistic to ryuu. their relationship is changed, because

    1. kazuma is working on the case his ENTIRE life has built up to
    2. ryuu's perception of him has changed: from an overwhelming personification of justice, an ideal, put on a pedestal - to a man who has his faults.

    people imo tend to be too harsh on kazuma, but it makes me go "are you playing this game with yours eyes shut?"

    I'm not here to debate whether you like him in court, or his motives, or actions. This is specifically to the strange amount of people who seem to think of him as a terrible friend and see him as rude/mean to ryuu (and others). in my view, outside of typical prosecutor-DA conflict, the only person he is hostile to is barok.

    kazuma is a menace in court, but he's perfectly civil, supportive, and cooperative outside of it. him keeping quiet about some things is perfectly understandable considering his emotional state and circumstances. for gods sake, he's involved in an international assassination scheme and investing the truth of his "serial killer" father.

    how do people not see that ryuu is the one who's changed, not kazuma? kazuma has been aware of his assassination mission since before 1-1, and he's always been aggressive in court, see: vs. payne, and even to ryu as his assistant.

    i don't get why everyone acts as if kazuma is suddenly rude to ryuu - in the scenes that somewhat build him up as an antagonistic light (revealing him as the prosecutor) : any doubts are immediately remedied by him directly thanking him for his worries and reassure him that he is okay. when you visit him at the office, he once again repeats how thankful he is to ryuu. their reunion scene is heartfelt, and you can see in his face how glad asougi is to see susato and ryuunosuke again.

    to me, everytime he spoke to ryuu outside of court, it felt like a reminder and reassurance: "i may seem different, but it's me. i still see you as my best friend, but i have something i need to do."

    kazuma's overwhelming respect and belief for ryuu has never wavered the entire time throughout the game, and it shocks me everytime to see others have the complete opposite interpretation playing through this game as me.

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    Soj first playthrough.... Wish me luck!

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 06:43 AM PST

    Round 13 and the first final of the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles. Maria Gorey and Saboru Hosonaga have been declared guilty. Vote for the next character to be voted out in the form of a comment.

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 11:21 AM PST

    AJ SPOILERS \\ Klaiver's a Saint and we don't talk about this enough

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 12:50 PM PST

    Klavier only got 3 trial appearances, which I believe makes him one of the least used "rival" prosecutors in the games (Godot being another snubbed candidate).

    Before those 3 trials even start, Klavier's brother gets sent to prison by Justice (under, in-universe, kinda sketchy circumstances). Two trials later, he loses his band, which had only recently started taking off, and then finally, in trial three, he loses a lot of credibility, with his brother being outed as a conspirator and him potentially being complicit in his actions.

    And yet this man never faces the defense with anything other than smiles and sincere warmth, and a will to pursue the truth, no matter how personally damaging. He is the only prosecutor in all the games (including TGAA) not to threaten or actively cause bodily harm against the opposing defense, and almost never acts with anything other than grace and humility.

    And then he's soundly dropped from the games. Gets one little cameo in Dual Destinies, just enough to make sure we know he's still there, and then is never brought up again. I think there's a reference to his existence in Spirit of Justice once and then nothing else.

    ​

    This man got done dirty by the games hard good lord.

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    Felt the urge to draw a grumpy and a bit more realistic looking Phoenix !

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 08:08 AM PST

    Is there a mobile TGAA English dubbed translation?

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 02:28 AM PST

    I'm planning on playing TGAA, I know that there's already a fan translation of the Japanese dub, but I'm kinda wondering if there's an English dub as well, thanks in advance.

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    Where can I find the dancing Edgeworth gif?

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 11:56 PM PST

    The one where he stands behind his desk with hands spread out and bounces left to right. I couldn't find it on google or reddit. If you have it, please do share. Thanks!

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    Society trio complete. [AAI2-5 major spoilers, but has 6-4 and 2-3 too]

    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 02:49 PM PST

    Turnabout Combination - Animated and subbed CD drama (2014)

    Posted: 17 Jan 2022 12:40 PM PST
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