Ace Attorney (OC) Maya sprite redraw :) |
- (OC) Maya sprite redraw :)
- Think burger, think! If I wasn't going to eat you why would I purchase you?
- Agency Girl(friend)s
- Iris Watson
- the anime lacked a lot to make references to the poses of the game, in fact the first appearance of larry I would have liked it to be like that, oh yes, it is a redrawing, not a correction.
- decided to upload the wocky drawing progress too [OC]
- "Jurist" Is Not a Mistranslation (Plus Some Discussion)
- I see no apreciation for Damon Gant so i drew him
- For my final piece of art for this subreddit, I present Franziska!
- A thought experiment on the fandom's most popular pairing
- Case Discussion Thread - Case 4-1 - Turnabout Trump
- I'm high but whatever
- Greatest Murder Scheme?
- Ace Attorney Alternate Universe Pitch #7
- Which one of these had the most potential?
- Wich Ace Attorney game is your favorite and why ?
- Can you start with DGS2 in "The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles"?
- What would make a great setting for a future Ace Attorney case?
- Criticism for a Fanfic (Spoiler for Investigations 2)
- Finished AAI1 recently. Why is the game (especially the 3rd case) so hated?
- Just realized Klavier's name pun
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| "Jurist" Is Not a Mistranslation (Plus Some Discussion) Posted: 04 Jun 2021 09:06 PM PDT TL;DR: The Jurist System is not a jury system, and jurists are not jurors. Jurists are lay judges, meaning that the word "jurist" is an appropriate translation. You might have heard the idea that the word "jurist" in AJ is a mistranslation, and that it should be "juror" instead. This idea is apparently widespread enough that the AA wiki has a section titled "Terminology confusion" on its Jurist System article that unequivocally calls AJ's use of the word "incorrect":
(To be clear, I'm not criticizing the wiki, just using it as an example.) Personally, I don't think it really is incorrect, so I thought I'd explain my own reasoning in order to argue that "jurist" is, in fact, a logical and appropriate translation. Note that I only have an elementary knowledge of Japanese, and that I don't know anything about the Japanese legal system beyond the brief research I've done. If I end up making a mistake or saying something false, please let me know so I can correct it. With all that out of the way, let's get to the main topic of this post. Background: To determine whether "jurist" is an appropriate translation, we first have to understand the background of this situation. As most of us probably know, the Jurist System was included in AJ to reflect Japan's legal reform in which they implemented their lay judge system. In the Japanese script of the game, the Jurist System is called 裁判員制度 (saiban-in seido) and jurists are called 裁判員 (saiban-in). saiban-in seido translates to "lay judge system," and saiban-in translates to "lay judge." The Jurist System is therefore a direct equivalent of Japan's lay judge system. Importantly, the Jurist System is not a jury system, and jurists are not jurors. The Jurist System is the lay judge system and jurists are lay judges, meaning that the word "jurist" is an appropriate translation. A "jurist" is "an expert in or writer on law," according to the New American Oxford Dictionary, and as a secondary definition can mean "a lawyer or judge." I'll discuss how these meanings fit later, but first I'll establish that the Jurist System reflects the lay judge system rather than a jury. This should already be clear from the Japanese terms used, but I'd like to go further and think about the Jurist System itself, to cement the connection and to analyze how the Jurist System works while I'm at it. Purpose of the system: In that case, what is the lay judge system? It's a system implemented in Japan in 2009 that aimed to increase citizen participation and trust in the courts. Quoted from Japan's Ministry of Justice website, where all the information I am citing in this post can be found:
If this rationale sounds familiar to you, it should. Compare this exchange from the end of 4-4, right before the verdict:
The reasons given by the judge (and strengthened by Kristoph's rejection of them) align very closely with those given by Japan's Ministry of Justice. In other words, the Jurist System's purpose matches the official purpose of the lay judge system, suggesting that they should be treated as the same. Structure of the system: Lay judges are different from jurors in that they are not separate from the judge, but rather assist them. Additionally, lay judges actively examine evidence from the defense and prosecution and ask questions to witnesses. At the end of the trial, they deliberate with the professional judges. There are usually three professional judges and six lay judges, but sometimes one professional judge and four lay judges. Here is where AJ's lay judge system diverges from Japan's. However, I'd like to point out, one, that this was a test trial, and as such differences are expected from the final version; two, that creative liberties were likely taken to adapt the lay judge system to Ace Attorney's format; and three, that this is Ace Attorney, and it's never been legally accurate anyway. With those noted, let's look at what happens in 4-4. The test trial has one professional judge (the one and only), and jurists that are in a separate room rather than at the bench alongside the judge. There are at least six jurists. We know this because Thalassa is assigned the title of "Jurist No. 6." However, it's likely that there are exactly six jurists. First, that would match up with the standard number in the lay judge system, and second, in the bad ending, there's an equal number of "Guilty" and "Not Guilty" votes. This is only possible with an even number of jurists, making six a likely total. This would differ from the typical six lay judges and three professional judges. This leads into the next point, that the deliberation process seems to work differently in the test trial.In Japan's lay judge system, a "hung jury" (quotation marks because it isn't a jury) isn't possible, as it is in the test trial's bad ending. A finding of guilt requires a majority of lay judges and professional judges, including at least one professional judge. If this condition is not met, the verdict is not guilty. In other words, delaying the verdict, as happened in the test trial, can't happen through an equal number of guilty and not guilty votes. This change in AJ's interpretation of the system was likely made to allow for that possibility, since the lack of a verdict in the bad ending is much more thematically relevant than a guilty verdict would be. Another change in the deliberation process seems to be that, unlike in the actual system, the votes of lay judges and professional judges aren't weighted equally. If we assume that there are six jurists plus the judge, that's a total of seven votes. In this case, a "hung jury" wouldn't be possible. As a result, it seems that the votes of the lay judges are counted separately from the judge's vote, again likely to make the "no verdict" ending possible, or maybe to make the system more familiar to the Western audience, where juries are common. The judge's final address to the jurists seems to suggest that the jurists vote separately from the judge:
Because of the large time skips that happen and how little of the jurists is shown on-screen, it's not clear to know whether the judge deliberates alongside the jurists, or any number of other details. However, as legally inaccurate as Ace Attorney is, and as much as 4-4 bends the lay judge system to fit its gameplay and story, I think it's relatively safe to assume that many of the details the player is not shown on-screen match the lay judge system. Even besides those, what the player is shown, along with the context of Japan's legal reform, make it clear that this is a lay judge system rather than a jury system. Conclusion: Putting aside the Jurist System's name in Japanese, which is enough to identify it as the lay judge system all by itself, the rationale behind the Jurist System closely matches that of Japan's lay judge system, and the structure of the system during the test trial, accounting for creative liberties, also suggests they're the same. The Jurist System is therefore a lay judge system, not a jury. In this case, does "jurist" fit as an appropriate translation of saiban-in? Yes. saiban-in are lay judges, and going back to the AA wiki, "the term 'jurist' can refer to a judge or an expert in the law." The first definition fits; lay judges are judges. So why weren't they just called lay judges? Alex Smith was AJ's localizer, and I can't know what his thought process was. However, I can come up with a few plausible reasons. First, "jurist" is shorter than "lay judge," which probably makes it easier to fit into text boxes. Second, it's snappy and stylized, which fits the context of the AA series as something that doesn't go into dry legal terminology like "lay judge." Third, it maintains the essence of the word saiban-in. As saiban-in consists of "saiban" (judgment) plus "in" (momber), jurist consists of "jur-" (derived from the Latin word for "law") plus the suffix "-ist" (here denoting someone involved with a profession). "jurist" is therefore an appropriate, effective, and fitting translation. And finally, in addition to everything I've mentioned, I just don't think Smith would make such a simple mistake as confusing "jurist" for "juror." It seems far more likely to me, given all the context, that "jurist" is not a mistranslation. Again, it's very possible that I've made a mistake about the Japanese or about the lay judge system, so please let me know if there's anything I should correct, or if there's any point I should clarify. [link] [comments] | ||
| I see no apreciation for Damon Gant so i drew him Posted: 04 Jun 2021 05:42 AM PDT
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| For my final piece of art for this subreddit, I present Franziska! Posted: 04 Jun 2021 06:24 AM PDT
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| A thought experiment on the fandom's most popular pairing Posted: 04 Jun 2021 02:11 PM PDT Happy Pride, everybody. There's something I've been curious about recently - obviously Phoenix/Edgeworth is far and away the most popular fan pairing in the Ace Attorney fandom, and pretty much always has been. To this day, however, it still remains strictly non-canon and has to compete with other possible fan interpretations of the two characters' love lives. Now, I don't personally think Ace Attorney will or should ever put Phoenix, its longtime main character, into any new romantic relationship, but rather than talking about that, I want to put forth a discussion prompt for people to think on and contribute to. In addition to its massive popularity, the Phoenix/Edgeworth pairing has plenty of detractors. Those who might dislike it or just be ambivalent toward it or shipping in general might have plenty of wildly varying reasons not to care for it - simply preferring a different pairing or two, interpreting the characters in a way that's incompatible with the pairing, disliking the protagonist-rival romance archetype as a whole, or in the more unfortunate cases, just plain being homophobic assholes. When responding to this post, please don't engage in arguments or accusations over the how or why of anyone liking or not liking the pairing. That's not what I intend this thread for. Now, as for the specific prompt I want anyone reading this to consider, here it is: How do you think the shipping communities of the Ace Attorney fandom might differ if either Phoenix or Edgeworth was a woman instead? Not both of them, just either one. Assume that the two are still characterized as closely to the canon games as possible, and try to consider how you or anyone else might feel about the fan pairing putting the two of them together if either one individually had always been written as a woman instead. How popular do you think the pairing would be in that scenario? How much controversy would it generate? (Finally, please try to remain civil in this thread. I want to prompt a serious discussion, but I'll be monitoring this thread carefully with no tolerance for anyone trying to attack others personally or start frivolous arguments.) [link] [comments] | ||
| Case Discussion Thread - Case 4-1 - Turnabout Trump Posted: 04 Jun 2021 04:44 PM PDT After a day's break, let's move on to Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney, my favourite game in the series. Post your first-time reactions and any opinions, complaints, and general thoughts here. What did you think of the case introducing us to a post-timeskip Ace Attorney world? [link] [comments] | ||
| Posted: 04 Jun 2021 08:34 PM PDT Ace attorney but you play as edgeworth but buttt it plays like normal ace attorney but in the court you try to find holes in the defense's evidence and all of the defense are guilty of course we're not soul less bastards [link] [comments] | ||
| Posted: 04 Jun 2021 10:17 PM PDT Just a general questioning thing for which culprit plot(s) you think were the most ingenious in design. Can include both pre-meditated plots and the piecing together in the aftermath of sudden killings. [link] [comments] | ||
| Ace Attorney Alternate Universe Pitch #7 Posted: 04 Jun 2021 11:11 PM PDT I was helped into coming up with another new idea for one of these, and unlike most of the others, it doesn't start super-early in the series' timeline. Instead, we're nearly going to the chronological end of the current series. What if Phoenix Wright: Asinine Attorney was canon? If you've never seen the Asinine Attorney skits from Spirit of Justice, I'll summarize Phoenix's: Nick is in Khura'in, intending to meet up with both Maya and Pearl. Pearl is visiting the kingdom, and the day is meant to be a calm social visit and tour, but Phoenix ends up dragged into a pseudo-trial when a terrorist seizes control of the courtroom, intending to take Princess Rayfa hostage. In order to stall and keep the princess safe, Phoenix attempts to bluff the terrorist into thinking Pearl is actually the princess, with the real Rayfa merely being a body double used for public appearances. Eventually, it's revealed that the entire scenario was just a staged exercise to make sure the Hall of Justice was ready for such an emergency, with everyone in the room except for Phoenix aware of this. However, Phoenix did such a good job of "proving" Pearl to be the real Princess Rayfa that everyone now believes it aside from Pearl herself, Rayfa, and the other main characters. As a result, with Pearl having also proven she's capable of channeling spirits, she is crowned the new queen of Khura'in under the mistaken identity of Rayfa, leading to an era of peace in the kingdom under her rule. All things concerned, it's a pretty damn happy ending for everyone but Rayfa herself. Past threads: What if Tyrell Badd adopted Miles Edgeworth? What if Edgeworth became a defence attorney following AAI2? What if Dahlia died jumping into Eagle River? What if Manfred von Karma never got away with Gregory Edgeworth's murder? What if Diego thwarted Dahlia's attempt to poison him? What if Godot destroyed Morgan's letter for Pearl, preventing the Hazakura plot? [link] [comments] | ||
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| Wich Ace Attorney game is your favorite and why ? Posted: 04 Jun 2021 10:12 AM PDT Whatever reason it is im just curious to see other people opinion now that I've finished SoJ [link] [comments] | ||
| Can you start with DGS2 in "The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles"? Posted: 04 Jun 2021 03:50 PM PDT Hi guys, Like everyone here I'm excited to play the official english release of these two games. (DGS1+DGS2) My question is, is there going to be a "game select" screen where you choose which game to start from? I can't seem to get this information. I ask because I just very recently played through DGS1 and don't feel like replaying it, and really hope I can just play the second one only. But I have some hesitancy because this series is known for having a "Chapter Select" screen and usually only unlock the later chapters after finishing previous chapters, so I get kind of worried access to Chapters 5-10 would get gated behind finishing the Chapters 1-5 of DGS1. I know its not likely but I just want to be sure. Thanks. [link] [comments] | ||
| What would make a great setting for a future Ace Attorney case? Posted: 04 Jun 2021 11:58 AM PDT We've had cases set in movie studios, circuses, and even space centers. I'm hoping for a case set at a beach in a potential sequel. What setting that we haven't seen yet would you want for a future case? [link] [comments] | ||
| Criticism for a Fanfic (Spoiler for Investigations 2) Posted: 04 Jun 2021 05:49 PM PDT Making a fanfic and I'm worried that I mess up and write the characters out of character . Their reaction , actions and dialogue would not be natural or would feel forced or rushed. I need to make sure a character's actions feel organic part of the story, what you would expect the characters to do. I need advice and a friend said making a Reddit post was a good way of asking : what would be the natural reaction of the following: Sebastian debeste first reaction to psychic locks without prior knowledge to what they are? Sebastian reaction when he learns that a seemingly cute and innocent character is actually an evil manipulator who controlled the crime scene like a game of chess. Sebastian reaction when a seemingly evil and unredeemable villain has black psychic locks (by this point Sebastian knows what the locks are but doesn't know what so special about black locks) , what would be his thought process Leading him to try and break them, and when 4/7 of the locks force break, his reaction to the pain. Sebastian Debeste reaction post lock break recovery that the villain , like Sebastian, had an abusive family , but also had friend who manipulated her and let her to become a manipulator herself because she thought it would help her no longer be bullied and for her to finally get her parents approval , ( this line resonates with Debeste ) The thought process that Sebastian has that leads to him pulling a Miles Edgeworth and adopts the villain as his own daughter (note , the villain is 14 years old) [link] [comments] | ||
| Finished AAI1 recently. Why is the game (especially the 3rd case) so hated? Posted: 04 Jun 2021 12:46 PM PDT Imo the game's around a 6.5/7 out of 10, because I feel like every case was fine, but not a single one was amazing. Plus the concept of "Logic" sounds cool in theory but in practice it just makes the other characters (especially those that are supposedly geniuses) sound really dumb. Lastly, honestly I just felt bad for the final villain because he got plot cucked so hard. The win felt sooo forced. Still, it was overall a good game imo. Expected the game to be much, much worse because of the opinions I saw before playing it myself. Just curious, what made you guys dislike it so much? [link] [comments] | ||
| Just realized Klavier's name pun Posted: 04 Jun 2021 02:11 PM PDT https://www.pinterest.com/pin/797911258984818540/ Klavier means piano in German [link] [comments] |
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