Ace Attorney last redrawing of the week, I have homework to do xD |
- last redrawing of the week, I have homework to do xD
- the courtroom is ja̶m̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ spinning
- My Vera Misham cosplay!
- It's never easy to say goodbye
- I'm making a 2D HD Athena sprite sheet for objection.lol
- Happy reading time
- Haven’t been liking my art recently, but I’m pretty ok with these 2 picking up McDonalds (on mr. nicks card of course)
- Finally joined the Reddit fam and thought I’d share some quick sketches of our 3 favorite attorneys at the Wright Anything Agency!
- Mia Fey! My drawings from June 2021 vs February 2021.
- [OC] fanart of Trucy and Mr Hat ��
- Man who knows nothing of ship culture makes AA ship tier list.
- Afternoons with Interpol but Sebastian is...
- You know Apollo and Robin could easily pass for siblings or at least relatives
- Did you know that TGAA models used different textures (model colors) on 3DS and on Mobile? This was because due to the 3DS limitations the developers couldn't use the textures as they were supposed to be, which was fixed in the mobile port. In these comparisons the left is 3DS and right is Mobile.
- Anyone else enjoy the live-action film? Would you be up for a sequel?
- Sample of the TGAAC English Cutscenes
- Alright which of these two would you rather see again? (No, you can’t pick neither. Sorry.)
- Case Discussion Thread - Case 3-5 - Bridge to the Turnabout
- Should Ace Attorney 7 be Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney?
- Turnabout big top vs Recipe for turnabout?
- How Apollo Justice frames the Gramaryes
- Wesley Stickler the most annoying char in the series?
- AA character(s) who's personality is the most similar to yours?
- Reddit just has the biggest AA reference and no-one is talking about it.
| last redrawing of the week, I have homework to do xD Posted: 02 Jun 2021 02:08 PM PDT
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| the courtroom is ja̶m̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ spinning Posted: 02 Jun 2021 07:41 PM PDT
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| It's never easy to say goodbye Posted: 02 Jun 2021 07:00 AM PDT
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| I'm making a 2D HD Athena sprite sheet for objection.lol Posted: 02 Jun 2021 09:31 PM PDT
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| Mia Fey! My drawings from June 2021 vs February 2021. Posted: 02 Jun 2021 06:16 PM PDT
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| [OC] fanart of Trucy and Mr Hat �� Posted: 02 Jun 2021 08:34 AM PDT
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| Man who knows nothing of ship culture makes AA ship tier list. Posted: 02 Jun 2021 03:02 PM PDT
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| Afternoons with Interpol but Sebastian is... Posted: 02 Jun 2021 10:09 PM PDT
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| You know Apollo and Robin could easily pass for siblings or at least relatives Posted: 02 Jun 2021 03:30 PM PDT | ||
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| Anyone else enjoy the live-action film? Would you be up for a sequel? Posted: 02 Jun 2021 04:27 PM PDT
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| Sample of the TGAAC English Cutscenes Posted: 02 Jun 2021 02:11 PM PDT
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| Alright which of these two would you rather see again? (No, you can’t pick neither. Sorry.) Posted: 02 Jun 2021 09:06 PM PDT | ||
| Case Discussion Thread - Case 3-5 - Bridge to the Turnabout Posted: 02 Jun 2021 03:58 PM PDT Another sad case, same bridge as the last. Post your first-time reactions and any opinions, complaints, and general thoughts here. What do you think of the final case in the Phoenix Wright Trilogy? [link] [comments] | ||
| Should Ace Attorney 7 be Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney? Posted: 02 Jun 2021 05:46 AM PDT First trilogy AA1 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney AA2 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice for All AA3 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations Second trilogy AA4 Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney AA5 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies AA6 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice Third trilogy? AA7 Athena Cykes: Ace Attorney AA8 ??? AA9 ??? Y'all follow? [link] [comments] | ||
| Turnabout big top vs Recipe for turnabout? Posted: 02 Jun 2021 06:24 PM PDT Which case which punishes you for pressing a witness do you like better? Turnabout big top starring Max Gallactica, Acro and Franziksa von Karma or Recipe for turnabout starring Furio Tigre, Maggey Byrde and Viola Cadaverini? [link] [comments] | ||
| How Apollo Justice frames the Gramaryes Posted: 02 Jun 2021 06:34 AM PDT Apollo Justice presents us with the story of the Gramaryes: A story of tragedies and terribleness. Disclaimer: All quotes will be taken from the game scripts, but I'll be cutting things to condense them for the post. This could be construed as manipulation of the quotes out of context, so I'll also add the points in game where they were taken from so that you may check further context yourself if you feel it necessary. What is FramingHowever, only some of these popular impressions are directly supported by the game in terms of framing. As such, allow me to define what I'll be using as "framing" for the purposes of this post:
These two of my definitions established, I will now proceed to present how each of the Gramaryes is framed for each of their actions according to these definitions. How Magnifi is FramedMagnifi Gramarye is shrouded in mystery. The game never elaborates on a majority of his actions and most perspectives into him come from other characters, and said characters rarely express their opinions on him. But to begin with, Magnifi's main actions:
So let us tackle what the game says about each of them. ACTION 1) - Makes his daughter disappear after she suffers from an accident. ACTION 2) - Blackmails his disciples over the previous incident. These two actions go together.
The game makes a point to show that Thalassa is Magnifi's sole daughter, and that the blackmail came as revenge for her being hurt. This established, the blackmail is clearly framed as something bad. Valant points this out, though Phoenix refrains.
Magnifi himself also reinforces his actions were also out of line and apologises for them. As for making his daughter disappear, the game is very vague on this point. It is known he hid the incident to keep the troupe afloat, but why did she disappear completely? Given the lack of information one can only theorise. If one takes the implication that Magnifi blackmailed the two men for hurting his sole daughter, then one would say he cared for her. And if he did, then this could be taken as a way of separating her from the dangers of the magic world. However, this reasoning is vague at best, and certainly never directly stated. As for the framing, Lamiroir is the only one to comment on the consequences of being separated from all she knew.
It is known that ultimately, she does not see her time as Lamiroir as a positive thing, but this stands as contrast to what she previously thought:
And can be taken as something of a lesson in fearing to learn the truth. Could this be said to be framing on Magnifi's actions? It's hard to tell. And so, as for whether Magnifi did the right thing in separating Thalassa, the answer is probably not, but there's no indication there was any ill-intent in it. ACTION 3) - Submits them to a deranged test that could result in murder. Again, very few people comment on the nature of the test itself, focusing instead on the blackmail (which is bad).
The game's only framing of it seems to lean towards the "eccentric master" archetype, under the idea that none of the disciples would have the courage to kill him, blackmail or not, or that he only cared about putting on one last show. As a magician, a high-risk dare such as this one only seems to fit, but given the blackmail this was a lot of pressure to put on his disciples. In any of the cases, it was his life on the line, and his disciples knew of his eccentricities. Once more, it is hard to judge, but within the framing of the game, the test, independent from the blackmail, is not framed as bad specifically. ACTION 4) - Commits suicide after talking to his disciples.
A sick old man on his deathbed committing suicide is a whole can of worms, but for the purposes of this game, Magnifi is characterised as wanting to go out with a bang, hence this action.
Furthermore, it's specifically mentioned that Valant lingered outside Magnifi's room, and so had no intention of letting Valant hear the shot necessarily. And by his very words it is clear Magnifi had no intention of letting the troupe break apart through this action.
Finally, Valant then goes on to frame Zak afterward, altering the scene of the suicide, not out of self-defence, but to incriminate Zak. Should Valant have done nothing, the scene would've clearly been a suicide. As such, Magnifi's suicide is in no way framed as bad. CONCLUSION: Hiding his daughter and testing his disciples are not specifically framed as bad, instead attributed to the eccentricities of the man as a master magician. Blackmailing his disciples is clearly framed as bad, and Magnifi too regrets it in the end. Committing suicide is a personal aspect not commented upon, and is therefore not framed as bad. How Zak is FramedZak Gramarye is especially complex, because he appears to have changed during his 7 year absence, in the sense that he returns under a different name and with completely different motivations than he ever had in the past. But here are his actions:
We should examine each action one by one. ACTION 1) - Escapes his trial with Trucy's help, leaving her behind. In order to understand 1), a fair bit of context is necessary. First, let us follow Zak's thoughts during his trial.
Zak Gramarye was framed. Zak knew this because he did not kill Magnifi, and Magnifi was alive when he left. As a result, Zak planned to escape the courtroom that day should things go wrong. He attained a lawyer he trusted via a poker game, but nevertheless did not expect that he would be proven innocent. Trucy alone gave him pause over disappearing from the public eye, and all his worries blinded him from giving Wright those rights in the form of his page. Zak's reason for escaping is mildly ambiguous, but he seems to say that his rights to the magic were the main reason. Zak knew that if he were to be found guilty his rights to the magic would be rendered invalid, and so he had to escape. But why did he want those rights if he had to disappear?
Given the previous indications, it seems Zak disappeared with the ultimate objective of ensuring Trucy attained the rights to the magic, and stopping them from going to Valant, in the past and in the present. Does this mean Zak hated Valant, for framing him or any other reason?
By no means. Zak does not seem to hate Valant, and is in fact surprised to see him blamed, to the extent he created a false confession so as to clear Valant of any accusations. As such, the best picture we can paint of Zak's motivations for the disappearance is as follows: And so, it is time to address the elephant in the room. What about abandoning Trucy?
She mentions that today is "her first show", and she collaborates with Zak. She's well aware she'd help him escape, but how aware was she that Zak would disappear permanently? We do not know. We can tell afterward she is visibly sad her daddy is gone, but this is likely to be the case regardless of whether she knew or not. She also worries her new dad might disappear, during his meeting with her at his office. And finally, Phoenix mentions at the end of the game that Trucy does regularly put up a front even when sad. One thing we can say is that Trucy does not hate Zak for what he did.
Therefore we can conclude Zak's disappearance made Trucy sad, but so too would his arrest, once again leaving it ambiguous over how "bad" the action is. Could it be he had planned to leave her with someone? She has no close living kin, and we know Phoenix took her in because no one else did. But it is implied Zak told Trucy she could trust Wright, and also that she kept some contact with Valant.
So ultimately, how selfish was he in abandoning her? The game does not frame this as bad directly. In fact, if you take into consideration previous instances in the series, you know that Misty Fey abandoned her children so as to not spread her own circumstances and sins onto them. Zak's action here carries the same idea. So, this all said, how about framing? Are Zak's actions bad or good? Meaningfully, no character comments on them directly after learning the entire truth. As such, they can be taken to be framed as morally grey. It is, however, notable that Phoenix personally has a distaste for Zak over what happened to him, before Phoenix learns of his motivations. Phoenix produces lines such as these:
But all these lines are before he learns the truth. For this reason, the game does not judge Zak's disappearance as bad, but as a choice he made, with consequences, good or bad. Phoenix's own anger is understandable, as he did his best to protect Zak but Zak was always more focused on the escape act than giving Phoenix all of his information. Why would Zak not bring up the diary page at any point?
To begin with, neither party knew the diary page would end up being relevant this early on, and neither of them knew Phoenix had gotten a forged diary page. As such, Phoenix did not know Zak had the real page, and Zak did not knew Phoenix would need the page or had a forged one. And so, when Phoenix presents a forged page later on, it is already too late. One can speculate that perhaps Zak presenting his own page could've saved Phoenix, but it is doubtful. Not after a fake one is presented to court. And again, it would risk that Zak's own page's credibility be called into question. Of course, this last paragraph is never addressed directly by the game, so it's only speculation. ACTION 2) - Aims to win against Phoenix Wright at poker, at all costs. This is much easier to explain the framing of. Unquestionably it is bad. He attacks Olga, and is shown to be a hot-head. No question here.
Zak makes a clear distinction himself that his actions as Zak Gramarye and his actions as Shadi Smith are distinct to him. First, he settles all of Zak's affairs, then he settles Shadi Smith's foolish pride.
Zak introduces himself in this way, but bear in mind that this does not necessarily connect to the first line, and he could simply be saying this so as to keep his cover. Regardless, I felt it relevant to highlight.
After introducing himself as Shadi Smith and once again separating his reasons for coming into distinct halves, he is very clearly framed by the game as bad, but also establishes his motivation: Not losing. Shadi Smith and his foolish pride do not like losing. His objective, of course, is not to disgrace Phoenix Wright. Similarly, even when he explodes in anger he does not lay a finger on his daughter's caretaker. There is, however, a particular reference I noticed that I wanted to highlight. Here's something Young Trucy said at Wright's office:
An interesting mention, considering what Shadi Smith then goes on to do over "foolish pride". But the game never directly connects these lines or anything of the sort. It's just a possibility.
One final aspect about Zak is that he has a tendency to punch Brushel. Nobody ever makes any real judgements on this and Brushel doesn't seem to terribly mind. It was probably intended as just a gag, much like how Brushel looks terrifying despite being a fairly normal individual otherwise. In any case, that Brushel sees him as a friend means Zak himself is not framed by anyone as bad or terrible. CONCLUSION: Disappearing and abandoning Trucy are framed as morally grey, and going bananas over a poker game is framed as bad. How Valant is FramedValant Gramarye is the one in the troupe that gets the most presence in the game, and similarly gets more room to regret his actions, of which there is only one:
There is a reason why I have left Valant for last. To fully understand the context behind his decision, it is necessary to understand the series of events that led him to it.
Valant simply wanted the rights for himself, and always planned to frame Zak over it. His deed would have been stayed by the fact that he could not muster the courage to murder his mentor. Valant decided to frame Zak so as to attain the rights himself, even as Magnifi requested that he continue helping Zak as he always had. By contrast, Zak sought to keep the rights for his daughter, but clear Valant's name as well through his disappearing act.
Valant's action of attempting to incriminate Zak is framed as wrong by Valant himself, through his immense regret. Valant stands in contrast to the other Gramaryes for being the only whose last action ends on regret and a good note.
Furthermore, he's the only Gramarye who continues to keep contact with Trucy.
And it is clear he intended to reform the Troupe with Trucy. To return to what had once been. However, the following facts must not be forgotten: He intended to frame Zak rather than continue the Troupe with him just so he could have the rights for the magic himself. Valant's actions alone are the cause of the Troupe breaking up and of Zak's every action that the game tackles. So the final thing I want to discuss pertains to Valant's motive. What do the "rights" consist of exactly?
In short, under this interpretation Zak would be Magnifi's successor and lead the troupe. As such, Valant's decision to frame Zak would break apart the Troupe, but give him the sole rights. This, too, can be blamed on Magnifi for choosing only a sole successor, but this is again a simple eccentricity of the man, and certainly should not regularly lead to framing. CONCLUSION: Valant framing Zak is shown to have kickstarted the troupe's break-up and his immense regret frames his actions as bad. And there you have it. I tried to support all my arguments with game quotes and the like. If you feel any of my arguments are not backed up by the game, please indicate as much so I may amend them. Ditto for if you feel I missed relevant segments for any of the instances. [link] [comments] | ||
| Wesley Stickler the most annoying char in the series? Posted: 02 Jun 2021 07:29 PM PDT Mainline? Or are Athenea, Mike Meekins, Dr Hotti erc worse? [link] [comments] | ||
| AA character(s) who's personality is the most similar to yours? Posted: 02 Jun 2021 02:50 PM PDT I say I'm kind of a mix of Ema and Apollo, when it comes to it. Kinda hot-headed, stubborn, talkative only with people who I like and know, prefer to analyze lots of things on my own in silence, take lots of things way too serious, (can't in life xD), literal perfectionist (especially when it comes to science and I'm working with someone heh) and overall interested a lot in forensics (I wanted to become a forensic scientist just as Ema but I'd have to work at the police for some time...which means having a decent condition and not losing control in stressful situations which I lack - I'd prefer working at lab and analyzing stuff xD) and just being hella emotional...I'd say it's a weird mix but what can you do with me having a literally strange personality XD Anyways, I'm really curious about you and characters who resemble you the most! [link] [comments] | ||
| Reddit just has the biggest AA reference and no-one is talking about it. Posted: 02 Jun 2021 07:26 AM PDT Karma. I literally just realised this and my mind is blown [link] [comments] |
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